I’ve never had any surgeries or serious pain issues, so I have no experience with other meds. Interesting that you say that about dextromethophan cough syrup. Soon the anesthesia wore off and the tremendous pain hit. A specific dosage cannot be recommended for those whose CYP2D6 metabolizer status cannot be determined (indeterminate metabolizers). Had the test also. I am an UEM, it takes a boatload of narcotic for slight pain relief. I told him I was a URM and needed to increase the dosage. My dentist gave me 1 numbing shot, it took 3 all in all to work. Once the concentration of parent drug saturates the capacity of the 2D6 enzyme to remove it, the drug concentration continues to build up rapidly over time. I kept telling my mom the pain meds isnt working and nothing being able to be done… fast forward to me today, im constantly in pain and my pm keeps telling his np im to young for high levels of fentayl… i had 3 back surgeries and a 6mm kidney stone last year. However, I just wanted to voice on here that us under and over metabolizers are essentially in the same boat, because medicine still only caters for the average. Patientswho are poor metabolizers (individuals with no CYP2D6 activity) or ultrarapid metabolizers (individuals with genetically elevated CYP2D6 activity) can have markedly altered response to drugs that are CYP2D6 substrates. A standard dose will generally be suggested. They tried IV Paracetamol in a drip which had no effect at all, and then resorted to Codeine which worked (of course) until my BP and RR fell and I began to feel very sick. CYP2D6 is one of the most polymorphic CYP genes in humans among the CYPs, accounting for around 80 different allelic variants and 130 genetic variations described [50].The CYP2D6∗4 allele was the first defective CYP2D6 variant allele to be identified (in 1990) and constitutes the main explanation for the poor metabolizer (PM) phenotype among Caucasians [49]. UEM metabolize so quickly narcotic never gets a chance to connect to the receptor site. I know this thread is old, but are you RH negative by chance? Still, have a lot of pain, have 1 torn & 4 bulging disks, fibromyalgia, stretched ligaments (so bones, especially my knees, will pop out of joint), Osteo AND Rheumatoid arthritis, spinal stenosis, migraines, diabetes (with severe neuropathy), as well as the other conditions I mentioned. What is really sad is that the instances of failed therapies from antidepressants is extremely high in CYP2D6 UMs because the drugs have no effect unless administered at super high doses and most physicians are not aware of the CYP2D6 UM anomalies thus are not willing to administer remedies in the high doses necessary. May I ask whom you found? I have had my genes mapped as a test participant at my Dr. Office. In trying to protect you from codeine, the evil intruder, your liver decides to chop the molecule in pieces. If you show evidence of metabolizing CYp2d6 in an unusual way, the best bet is to get genetic testing. Routine testing for codeine and CYP2D6 is usually not done. Then had a false screen for cocaine (I’m on 4 different BP meds, I’m not about to use it at my age! I am on morphine and swear I do not feel it whether they increase my dose or turn it down – same pain level just the same. Hahaha. And, from my own experiences, I think I can state that they really don’t care. I hope you have found help! Metabolism (which is defined in science as the sum of all chemical reactions in an organism; including both anabolism building molecules, and catabolism breaking down molecules). I’m sad to say, I prefer the morphine. After trying SSRI’s and having a bad reaction to tamoxifen that was related to switching SSRI’s and, and.. anyway, I fell into the hands of a psychiatrist who did the cheek swab on me, and we discovered this. Needless to say, walking into an ED and saying, “HI! Just in case, no need to worry… We agreed for a spinal anaesthesia with no suplementing sedatives and I really had absolutely no worries when entering the OR that morning, feeling perfect during the surgery and was in really high spirits when I got in the recovery room and the nurse informed me that she would give me now some Ibuprofen and as a substitute for the opioides a Metamizole- infusion, a substance which is btw. I’d been on morphine for a decade, began self-inj 9 of those years, the only way to get any relief. Another fascinating aspect with codeine that didn’t make it into the main post is that it is also a potent CYP2D6 inhibitor (even at therapeutic doses), which means that you could say that it has a built in safety system. I had the genetic testing done and my family dr mov e me up to 3 30mg a day which I’ve been in before and it doesn’t last me. Um hi if you dont know already but you might have Ehlers danlos.. He also mentioned to me to be careful with other opioids, but as I never needed strong painkillers I probably forgot about that and also made no further research on the issue. I’m a UM. 2).In 15–20% of these UMs gene duplication with up to 13 gene copies involving *1, *2, and *4 alleles have been identified as the molecular mechanism. He’s taken Benadryl before and I thought I noticed him being a little hyper. Lots of older antidepressants (prozac, paxil, effexor, and others) cause withdrawl daily. I need a doctor asap. said it breaks the medicine down too fast. Yes, get checked if you can. I never know how to handle that… it makes for never having adequate pain relief. Your body may process (metabolize) tramadol differently, which may result in side effects. Not bad – but by then I also started to notice the first signs of nausea. I’m allergic to the adhesive used in the patches too, so that’s out as well. Valid for Submission. Devin, You are not alone. If we are all ultra rapid metabolizer, we should join together and protestor our cause. I then just kept pressing frantically and nothing. after taking the med. And serotonin, many researchers believe that an imbalance in serotonin levels may influence mood in a way that leads to depression. But… I also have a son which also suffers from PTSD, as well as the same freakin chronic back-pain I do and he is going through the exact same crap from the doctors. There are two possibilities with this test result. CYP2D6 ultra-rapid metabolizer (UMs) are associated with decreased antiemetic effect (i.e. I hope your daughter is as lucky as I eventually was and finds what she needs! But I do. So the only clue that I have is to move from morphine sulfate which I currently take to hydromorphone. in knowing more so what to prescribe and at what levels and how often. So I got that medications against nausea and dose after dose of morphine in 10minute intervals both intravenous and subcutaneous. I would even go so far as to say peroral codeine is stronger than intravenous morphine. Also on the 4 BP meds, plus diazepam & triazolam. They have drugs for that but they dont work on me. Your body has an increased ability to process (metabolizes) tramadol to the more active form, which may result in side effects. They want complete control. Armed and loaded with CYP2D6, the liver knocks off a methyl group (vide ninja). People if you believe you have this condition…..please please ask a Dr to test you. I have found a doctor who actually loves working with me/ testing me and then being able to discover how my body will react to certain therapies. However, those kids that are “slow metabolizers”, which is a substantial percentage of at least the Caucasian population, are at risk of developing severe (usually cardiovascular) side effects. I’ve never taken it again. Having learned my lesson with Dextrometorphan (Bexin) and every cough-remedy containing codein I avoided this stuff for all my adult life until about 10 years ago I got an attending pharmacist who for ONCE listened carefully and could explain the different metabolism-types to me. My 16 year old daughter was tested and she is an Ultra Rapi Metabolizer. I’ve been searching the internet around the subject of migraines and Presumably, the pain relief — and the not completely unpleasant buzz — that you get from codeine is due to the fact that your body partly (5-10 %) converts it into morphine, which enters your central nervous system, finds opiod μ-receptors and yada, yada…. enzymes that help with the removal of most of the drugs and toxins from the human body Both you and the doc get copies of the report. I don’t understand why codeine and hydrocodone make me sick when morphine did absolutely nothing…it might as well have been water! Depends on the opioid narcotic. Although not clearly identifiable as a distinct subgroup or phenotype based on the enzymatic activity, approximately 10% of the European population account for the so called ultra rapid metabolizers (UM) (fig. Nerve damage is not unheard of after major surgery. Estimates suggest that up to 10% of the Caucasian population may be poor metabolisers and up to 10% may be ultra-rapid metabolisers 1 . This result predicts that this individual has the ultrarapid metabolizer phenotype. CYP2D6 genotypes predicting ultrarapid metabolism resulted in about 50% higher plasma concentrations of morphine and its glucuronides compared with the EM. Codeine causes nausea and hydrocodone makes me feel like Mike Tyson hit me in the gut, so a doctor told me to list them under allergies on medical forms. I poured 10 pills of 100 mg Tramadol retard/similar to Oxy, a synthetic morphine (the strong, long lasting ones)into my hand and swallowed them before he could react… He of course hit the alarm button but over here in Sweden at least, they are not allowed to treat you if you are conscious and refuse treatment. As far as I know it isn’t something you can get over-the-counter and test yourself for. Have you ever heard of someone getti F. von Hieseritzky. Have you been successful in finding anyone who is willing to help you? Still all was well, until I got back to my room, and the operation surgeon warned me on his visit not to take the pain easily and ask immediately for some more painkillers if it started to rise, as otherwise it could endanger the healing process. Get tested for pseudocholinesterease — an enzyme that helps break down Esters. Hi. A major hassle for this patient group is that the typical physician is quite reluctant to prescribing anything stronger for everyday pain conditions. From what I read about phase 2 meds….is it possible I have trouble with morphine? It belongs to one of the major group of liver enzymes that metabolize drugs (and other crap) that float around your system. Talk with your healthcare provider about choosing a medication that may be a better option for you. SO, long story short, I do not achieve the relief that a normal netabolizer by this gene would. An adult dose of detromethorphan cough syrup is an invitation to see the walls bend and change colors. You know the stuff; suppressed breathing, extreme nausea, cold sweat and to make things worse: no pain relief at all. So, did I get high or affected in any way or form from the handful of pills I took, that SHOULD have knocked an elephant out… Nope, didn’t phase me at all, which was the point I was aiming to prove and yes, I even drove my car home after the doctors appointment… One good thing more that came out of this whole ordeal, I know have a doctor that is highly motivated in LEARNING more about the various mutations on the CYP2D6 gene…. In addition, this enzyme also metabolizes dopamine and serotonin. G 4 30mg a day and any suggestions on what to do to get a dr to prescribe those besides the proof from the test. to prescribe…. It would have been nice to have these test results to stick in the A** H*** nurses face after I woke up the morning after a serious car accident from which I had a compound fracture repaired the night before. I got my test done at the psychiatrist; who wanted to know what effect I would get by mixing the drugs that pain management were giving me with an increased antidepressant. Needless to say, I have had some weird experiences. So not a real option then… I had then some morphine in regular intervals with no effect at all, but as the night went on the pain really got too strong and finally I gave in as a nurse explained to me, that with some people they had to reach a certain level until it started to work. Whatever my liver enzymes are doing, they aren’t helping me. These Doctors need to do more research on this!!!!! The one I’m going to now is an injection-freak. She also received a card that noted Madilyn was a normal metabolizer of the CYP2D6 and CYP2C9 enzymes, as well as an ultra-rapid metabolizer of CYP2C19. He has just retired and I’m in search of a new doctor. Michal Jacksons pink elephant took 150mg dxm and lost all her motor control but was still thinking clearly this was after around 4 hours.Psychoactive effects where neither lower or significantly higher than normal. Interesting fact about depression and CYP2D6 UMs: we have statistically lower than normal levels of Dopamine, a neurotransmitter that helps control the brain’s reward and pleasure centers. I cannot take a higher dose, I need to take a regular dose more often, this too is out of the norm for most Dr’s. For several reasons, CYP2D6 is especially troublesome for scientists working with discovering new drugs. My pain grew worse and worse. I’m also bipolar, & can’t take the regular meds (had NMS & Strvens-Johnson syndrome), so take Neurontin (not metabolized in the liver), Trileptal, Buspar, Primidone (also have CVS, Cyclical Vomiting Syndrome, which is treated with Primidone, a combo of 2 barbiturates). Even the dentists have called me a lier, saying there is “no way” you still feel that… Honestly, why would I lie to the dentist? I was working 16 hours a day 7 day a week for about 3 months. I had a gallbladder attack and the ER doctor gave me the recommended dose of painkiller. this comes up with the last 4 pain mgmt not having a clue why my opiate levels were near nil and this shows their stupidity. So Fazit: Morphine can have some pain-reliefing effects when highly dosed, but for me it is only a very poor solution. So being an ultra/poor metabolizer has different effects on different drugs. I’m starting to look into having my daughter tested because she’s Ethiopian and 30% of Ethiopians are Ultra Rapid Metabolizes. Any suggestions or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Mayo Clinic is a nonprofit organization and proceeds from Web advertising help support our mission. Right now I’m on 120mg of morphine 3x and 120mg of roxycodone every 4. (fig.2). Tamoxifen I suspected, several years ago, that there was something malfunctioning in the way I metabolize drugs. Previously I had to go out of state and I will again to get the right care. "Mayo," "Mayo Clinic," "MayoClinic.org," "Mayo Clinic Healthy Living," and the triple-shield Mayo Clinic logo are trademarks of Mayo Foundation for Medical Education and Research. I’d much prefer the pain in the A#$ injection than what I have to deal with from pain in the A$# emergency department physicians! Codeine doesn’t touch me. However, last night, it was VERY obvious. This does suck by the way. Patients who have a CYP2D6 variant that metabolizes tramadol quickly may experience side effects such as nausea, vomiting, constipation, difficulty urinating, drowsiness, decreased mental alertness, and a reduced urge to breathe. I had a DNA ran under my Doctors order not mine. Well, I thought I made everything right; he understood emediately as a professional but also as he’s got an ultra-rapid metabolizing dog. However Benadryl has no ill effects on me. I go into respiratory depression if I’m given opiates such as Tramadol, Morphine, Fentanyl and Codeine, and the former two make me extremely physically sick and give me headaches unlike any cluster I have ever had. . I’ve tried just about every pain med out there. In this case, I take their side. These gene tests seem to be gaining popularity, so there is hope for us UMs although, I don’t like the side effects from the super high doses that are necessary… I may need to stick with natural remedies… and do like I have done all my life, just don’t get sick and or have a super high tolerance to pain and learn to live with it, in lieu of being called a drug monger, or addict. They are specialists in Pain Management. My 3 year old was bouncing off the walls last night after a normal dose of Benadryl. I can’t find a doctor now that mine retired. I have this condition – the UEM on CYP2D6… How can I get tested so I have something to show MD’s (as if that will help anyway because I can’t find an MD replacement who has ever heard of this!! In reply to Debra, Ultra-rapid metabolizers have CYP2D6 gene duplication in the absence of any inactive alleles. I was cooked.. I’m now on subutex 120mg most day until Sept 1….i feel you all.. We need to do something. Each person differs from another at the DNA (gene) level. I happen to be at the very other end of the spectrum. P450 enzyme CYP2D6 is of importance in medicinal chemistry, pharmacology and medicine. Methadone, tramadol, and fentanyl all avoid any secondary pathways, and avoid the CYP2D6 and UGT pathways and may be drugs available to someone who gets no relief from codeine/morphine/dilaudid. I am trying to quit, but it is about the only thing I can do when I get anxious from the pain. After hours in the children ER, a spinal tap, and gene testing…..we found out of the 2D6 RM. Codeine and tramadol are metabolized in the liver to their active forms by an enzyme called cytochrome P450 isoenzyme 2D6 (CYP2D6). The headache started as soon as I relaxed a little at the afternoon coffee break. A wide variety of pharmaceuticals are processed by this enzyme including many psychiatric medications. For several reasons, CYP2D6 is especially troublesome … It is responsible for the clearance of 25% of clinical drugs, including opioids, antitumor drugs, antidepressants, and antipsychotics. I find Fiorocet, in only slightly higher doses than normal, helpful and actually the only thing that has worked for my migraines. Te reto a una carrera metabólica: Metabolizadores ultrarrápidos - Genotipia, Biochemistry student violates laws of science (almost). And it’s broken down into morphine. Claritin makes me look like I am on cocaine (I’m a psych nurse I’ve seen it all). […] Life as an ultrarapid CYP2D6 metabolizer. I take anywhere up to 30mg of an evening for severe refractory restless legs (and arms) syndrome. I think you’re deficient! Make me want to crawl out of my skin. Talk to your doctor about starting Cerdelga They’ll send a free packet to your doc with cheek swabs and return envelope, you do it in the doc’s office and the doc sends it back to them. We need HELP with our pain!”just saying”. In my genotype, *2xN the N stands for the number of alleles and could be anywhere from 2 copies up to 13 (that they know of.). She left and hurried back with a shot of demerol which immediately started easing the pain. Mayo Clinic does not endorse any of the third party products and services advertised. Dentist typically prescribes Tylenol with Codine for pain management after the fact, but I said no to that. I’m tired of ER DOCS calibre me a seeker! I’m a rapid metabolizer also and I am so fucking sick of being looked at like a drug addict, I just wish I never had cancer surgery and died. In contrast, various genotypes of the CYP2D6 subfamily of cytochrome P-450 enzymes correlate with phenotypic subgroups with differing rates of drug metabolism. I was in SEVERE pain and the nurse told me to shut up and that I was on a morphine drip so could not have pain… Funny thing is, Morphine might as well be water to a UM. I am a ultra rapid metabolizer and my dr and I have been trying to get my dosage right on my adderall. Front Pharmacol. Slowly it got bether and from the moment I was able uplift the upper body a bit the puking started. As all of us know, most CYP2D6 people take very few drugs because they simply do not work. there was a hunt and peck and there was one time when my pain was managed to the affect that i was pain free. Full stop. at night to help with anxiety. Plus I can’t find a doc who knows of this or believes me when I tell them.. He went from feeling bad and being lazy to full blown jumping on the trampoline and turning flips 35 mins. I don’t know how it is in the US, but in Canada they are some companies that offer this type of testing. Although testing is incressing, I am shocked at the lack of medical professionals who are chosing not to educate themselves about the different reactions caused by genotypes which would make them more comprehensive as a person who supposedly went into a profession to help people. Good luck everyone. use due to potential for toxicity. Your email address will not be published. I need 2 mg of dilaudid (standard adult dose)and 4 mg of Zofran” doesn’t usually go over very well!!. Cytochrome P450 2D6 (CYP2D6) is an enzyme that in humans is encoded by the CYP2D6 gene. Add to that, I have life-long PTSD and same goes for those medications. I didn’t know that. Through research, it is my understanding that a doctor can prescribe a medication off label if in their opinion it will be beneficial to the patient and do them no harm. In addition to the wild-type gene (CYP2D61), at least 15 different alleles of CYP2D6, associated with deficient, reduced, normal, or increased enzyme activity, … The problem is, if CV effects are not noticed quick enough, even taking the child off the drug does not immediately remove the systemic drug concentration until additional 2D6 is made by the body; and, this can take some time. I have had the feeling og hydrocodone and oxy didnt work all of my life. Michael Jacksons pink elephant took dxm recreationally and at 150mg had signs of slight CYP2D6 deficiency as motor control was impacted strongly but head clear but almost on verge of second plateau at a higher range of the 1st plateu dose by weight. But my psych was glad to run the test since it would also affect what antidepressants I could take. It is NOT to be messed with. In 1991 I had a C section and awoke with a patient regulated morphine IV in my arm. The hepatic CYP2D6 enzyme metabolizes a quarter of all prescribed drugs, including codeine. I usually had to take something to get to sleep around 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. The CPIC guideline recommends alternative drug that is not predominantly metabolized by CYP2D6, for the CYP2D6 UMs. All rights reserved. Fortunately I only get sick once every 20 years, unfortunately I get wicked migraines, for which I have no solution. I’ve tried googling that, but no answers. I am a poor metabolizer but have faced depression and suicidal thoughts since I was a teenager. Our data support that the CYP2D6*4 polymorphism but not CYP2D6 phenotypes might be associated with increased Alzheimer's disease risk, particularly in Caucasian populations. Even tho it shows my dr I don’t metabolize opiates they still keep me on the norco and I eat them like candy. In the interest of full disclosure, I also take methylphenidate (ritalin) (*SUPER* small doses) morning and afternoon for chemo brain/menopause/undiagnosed-ADD, and clonazapam (sp?) She offered me to use Morphine instead, no effect again, but also no side-effects… An hour later the pain still increasing I called for her again and she offered to block the affected nerves as a final solution, but that this was quite unusual and not good for the recovery of the tissue. She wanted to burn nerves, I said NO! I am missing the cyp2d6 chromosome also and i had cancer in my uterus, ovaries, lymph nodes was suppose to be 1 surgery, asshole surgeon cut my ureters off ,cut nerves and 12 repair surgeries and im in bad pain and I am on minimal pain meds and always still in pain. Dilaudid was ok (if injected), but the coming down takes no time at all. A quick google search for pharmacogenetic testing canada gives you some companies such as medcan, geneyouin, medicnematch, dyncare – and you can easily order online too, One company that does this is called Genelex, at genelex.com. So what medications do I need to avoid if an ultrametabolizer? They had me on 8 a day until they put me on zohydro bumped me down to 4 a day which isn’t working. I couldn’t take any pain killers for them and do any work. Perhaps your problem is tolerance? Codeine may cause serious side effects (respiratory depression, confusion, lethargy) in these patients. etc. They will likely not respond to some opioids. Talk with your health care provider about choosing a medication that may be a better option for you. Tried fentanyl patches, no help at all. . My mum is the same. She could not be woken. George, For ultrarapid metabolizers, particularly children, a standard dose of codeine (such as that typically given post tonsillectomy) can be a fatal overdose because of its rapid conversion to morphine. They may suggest that you: Your body processes (metabolizes) tramadol poorly to the more active form. None of my Doctors understand or want to even try…. Taking an extended release form of the drug helps some, but not a lot. This is so wierd. Someone who will go very light with meds. I am not a medical doctor, so don’t take this as medical advice, but in your shoes I would ask my doctor for a neuropathic pain evaluation. Sufferers of neuropathic pain often get little or no relief even from strong opiates. They may respond partially when the drug is metabolized by a number of different enzymes, and sometimes in these situations the other enzymes can compensate to some degree for the inactive CYP2D6. 8:582. . I 7nderstand that there are tests for example the OATS test that tests for rh and should be administered beside the chromosome tests and could affect the therapies but I have found my insurance company will not allowy doctor to perform it. 4 There are four basic types of metabolizers. I’ve been a URM all my life, the number of medications that effect me with a normal does is less than 10%. I really don’t want her to have a painful/traumatic experience. Something that makes life really a pain in the A** at times, is the fact that both of these conditions trigger WILL each other… Chronic pain, will worsen PTSD as well as depression, anxiety etc. CYP2D6 converts codeine, tramadol, oxycodone, and hydrocodone to their active metabolites. The genetics of CYP2D6 has been extensively studied, and individuals can be divided into 4 groups. 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